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  1. None of your concern says:

    Stop treating homosexuality like some sort of sinful dis-order. This is the 21st century, and to pass these fliers out during a Gay Pride Parade is not only shameful but insulting in an age where accepting people for who they are, whether or not it follows your code of ethics or not, should be priority number one..

    • Hello, thanks for the comment. This may be the 21st century, but God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Did you read the flier – what exactly did you find offensive?

      • None of your concern says:

        I pretty sure I spelled it out in the first comment that it is rather offensive and undignified to go to a Gay Pride Parade and pass out fliers about the “danger of being homo-sexual” according to God’s standards. And if God is the same now as he is ever then you should follow his word to the T. But you wouldn’t do that because some of the requests God gives, no matter the reasoning behind them are heinous and cruel. Like sacrificing your only child to show God your loyalty and obedience.

        And I’m rather sure that you would never see a Homosexual (or Trans, Bi, etc..) pass out fliers during a Heterosexual Pride Parade.

        • Hi, thanks for the reply. Could you point out where in the tract you received there is any mention of homosexuality?

          • None of your concern says:

            It doesn’t have to be because the link provided on it brings them here where you have a video that says “Jesus saved me from 27 years of homosexuality”. If that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.

            • Did you watch the video? Do you believe in God? If so, where do you get your information about Him?

              • None of your concern says:

                I used to believe until I came to the age of reason. Let me ask you something, explain to me why Homosexuality is immoral.

                And yes, I did watch the video, but that’s beside the point.

                I understand differing views on religion, I’m not here to change your idea about the existence of God. If you believe, then so be it, that’s you. But why would you consider others who believe in the same scripture as you do, but are homosexual, not christian? Who are you to make that decision?

                And even further, why does it concern you so much to the point of passing out ‘tracts’ to try and change their minds about their lifestyles? Can you not let them find God themselves?

                • Thanks again for the reply, Noyc. I don’t believe I am able to answer your questions in a manner acceptable to you as you presuppose the Bible is not the standard or the authority in matters of truth and spiritual things. In order to answer your questions, I must do so with the presupposition that the Bible is the standard and indeed the authority in these matters. Before we can get into any discussion, I believe we need to set a standard for what truth is. If you are interested in continuing the discussion, would you mind reviewing the following link: http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/ If we can get on the same page with absolute truth, then I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

                  • None of your concern says:

                    That link is the most ostentatious, arbitrary, piece of garbage I’ve ever had the displeasure of going through. When it talks about absolute morality it doesn’t take into account the different cultures of the world, when it talks about scientific laws (like gravity) it doesn’t take into account that these laws are ever changing and still scrutinized to this day so they can change. Not to mention it makes you choose whether or not Child molestation is immoral, yes of course it is to me, but if you change the question it’s not so absolute. Say, is corporal punishment immoral, some would say yes, while others would say no. Those moralities are not and never will be absolute. And I can bring forth a material representation of the number three, just cut out the shape of the #3 from paper. It’s material and represents the number. The only reason I went through the whole annoyingly wrong and opinionated questionnaire is to laugh at it. I tried to take it seriously I really did but it became so wonky that I just couldn’t. My biggest problem with this is that if God’s existence should only matter to person looking for salvation, why do you put so much effort into changing peoples minds? Why don’t you let them find him themselves, or better yet leave that to God?

                    In the end you should no more scrutinize nor judge others for their ‘sins’ or choices as I call them as someone should judge or scrutinize you for yours. Treat others as you would want to be treated. Never forget the golden rule.

                    • I’m sorry, Noyc, but your first statement in this reply shows you are not ready to have a rational discussion, nor are you thinking rationally. Can you tell me when it is ever right and good to rape a woman? Can you provide evidence where the law of gravity is changing? How do you know that child molestation is wrong? The laws of mathematics are abstract, immaterial, and universal. These laws exist outside the existence of humans. Just like laws of logic, laws of physics, and moral laws exist outside the existence of humans. In your worldview, you cannot account for any of these laws, which is why you must admit the existence of God before you can account for anything because you must borrow from the Christian worldview to make sense of anything. Otherwise, your logic and reasoning is reduced to absurdity.

                      Like I said before, until you recognize this, it would be futile to discuss the standard of truth, namely the Word of God, with you because you presuppose it is false. None of my answers will be acceptable to you because you have already rejected my answers based on your presupposition. When you are ready for rational discourse, I will welcome you back to the discussion. Until then, I hope you have a nice day.

                    • None of your concern says:

                      Of course I don’t think rape or child molestation is moral. But that doesn’t mean everyone doesn’t. And if everyone doesn’t think it’s wrong than it’s not absolute.

                      I’m not confused, it’s just my opinion. Just like you find yourself not to be confused, because that is your opinion on the matter.

                      As far as changing the laws of gravity, I think we had a bit of a misunderstanding, were you talking about Newton or Einstein?

                      I’m sorry if my response came off as childish, but that whole website was nothing but a big circular logical fallacy, an intricate one but one nonetheless. It leaves no room for differing opinion as it is an opinion in itself, as are all things beliefs. If you would rather not continue this conversation (as I can see because I cannot reply to you but only to myself) then I will leave after this and never come back.

                      Thank you and have a nice week.

                    • That must be a wordpress thing, Noyc, I continue to welcome your stay here. The point earlier was that truth exists outside of our human existence. Scientific absolutes, absolute laws of logic, absolute laws of mathematics, and absolute moral laws all existed before humans walked the earth. That is the point the interactive link I shared is attempting to show you. For example, if 75% of the American people believed rape and child molestation was right and acceptable behavior, would that make it right and acceptable? Surely you don’t believe societies define morality, otherwise you’d have to confess such a society that condoned rape and child molestation are not wrong for condoning such acts. A real life example would be Adolph Hitler. Did the fact that the German people gave Hitler his rise to power make it right and acceptable that he was responsible for the murder of 6 million Jews? Or was that wrong regardless of whether or not the German people thought that was acceptable? In your worldview, you have no right to judge their actions as wrong and immoral. If you believe they were wrong and immoral, you have to borrow from the Christian worldview because it is the only worldview that has an authoritative source defining such evil as, well, evil.

                      Opinions are fine, but they cannot be accepted as fact. Einstein and Newton differed on their understanding of gravity, but the law of gravity itself does not change.

                      Do you believe that everything came from nothing, Noyc?

                    • None of your concern says:

                      Hello Justin,

                      Sorry it took me so long to reply. Life intervenes as you know.

                      As far as discussing the beginnings of our universe, I won’t. Not that I wouldn’t find that interesting to talk about but it’s not why I’m here. What I do find curious though is when someone such as myself, being a non-believer, does discuss such matters as the big bang, mutational evolution, or sociology the other side will readily use science to complete their argument against science.

                      You say that without God and his word that there would be no morals, no science, no truth, and yet even with all of these things present in our little world not one religious affiliate I have spoken with or heard talk has ever given me one definitive piece of information that isn’t outside the realm of some extreme speculation.

                      According to you that is because I have a predisposition to reject the truth you call the Bible, a sort of internal bias against it. I have no bias against the Bible for it’s just a book. I will contend it has some worthwhile text, and has contributed much to the world we inherit, but at the same time it also begets war, intolerance, violence, and absurdity.

                      But as I said before, those pros and cons are not the books doings but the authors, and if the Bible is the word of God, then God is the author, and if God is the author is God not at fault for the injustices, bigotry, and madness that his book has wrought?

                      You might say, no, that would be the fault of the interpreter, but alas the author if the book and the creator of the interpreter are one in the same according to the book from which they read. So, in the end it will always go back on God. If there is a God he has failed not only his creation but the world he is credited for making and every living creature that inhabits it’s surface.

                      That is why I don’t believe in God and that is why I do not and will not take the word of the Bible seriously.

            • Shawn says:

              If it is any help, I was enslaved to Adultery, Fornication for almost 20 Years

              • Amen, brother. I was a slave to fornication, drunkenness, pride, and the idol god I had created in my own image that allowed me to do whatever I wanted. But thanks be to God, He saved me from my enslavement to the god of this world and showed me His holiness that revealed my sin. I praise Him for delivering me so I could love Him and obey Him because He is worthy of my loyalty. Now my reward is abundant life in the Son of God!

    • Christy says:

      Amen to that.
      It was a very shameful thing to do, as well as disrespectful. If I wasn’t having so much fun with my friends there, It might have actually ruined my time. To think we live in the new age that we do, and people are still like this. Some people just don’t want to wake up and smell the change…

  2. Christy says:

    This is … just… silly. ‘Homosexuality’ isn’t a sin- neither is being pansexual or bisexual, or anything like that.
    I am a bisexual and proud to be christian, and I had to do a lot, YEARS worth, of soul searching before I myself came the the realization that God couldn’t possibly hate or condemn me for loving both the opposite and same sex. Because that’s what it is- love, when you boil it down to it’s simplest. God is a loving and forgiving creator, and we are told to love as he loves- so if god loves everyone as his children, as his creation, his people, shouldn’t we do the same? Despite gender, age, sexuality, ect? The answer is Yes, yes we should.
    It isn’t a choice, nor a sin to be attracted to the same sex, nor am I any less christian for it. I don’t want to be ‘freed from the sin of homosexuality’ because it isn’t a sin at all- that makes about as much sense as asking a vegan to repent and go back to eating animal products, just because it’s what another person deems normal or acceptable.
    I was disappointed to visit this website and confirm the message I found on the little rainbow card I got handed at Pride Charlotte 2011. I was hoping this would be one of the actually gay-friendly christian sites. This is the kind of thing that gives Christians a bad name in the gay community, this lack of understanding, and in a lot of cases, hatefulness.
    You all could take away a good lesson from http://www.trinityuccconcord.org/ . These are Real Christians, who understand their place in the Lord and as Gods children, that we have to show his love and look for it inside of our own souls, so that that love may affect others, instead telling others they need to repent and trying to change others before we change ourselves… as well as trying to change things that shouldn’t be changed. Like sexuality.
    Anyways, I’ll cut my ramble off here and hope and pray that This message touches the heart of any or all of you, because it’s certainly coming from the bottom of mine.

    – With great love and in Gods name,
    Christy

    • Hi Christy, thanks for visiting the website. We are glad you are here and appreciate you sharing your thoughts. May I ask what your definition of Christian is? Also, who is God and where do you get your information about Him? Would you mind sharing what you found to be offensive on the tract you were given? Lastly, did you watch David’s testimony in the video? I do hope you engage in a discussion because these are important questions to be answered. You can expect me to respect you and treat you with dignity in our conversation. I hope to hear back from you soon.

      • Christy says:

        Hello Justin. I apologize for not having seen this earlier, I’ve been rather busy with start-of-school work.Thank you for the reply, I really have been itching to talk about this. At least talk some sense into maybe one person! Because really, any small amount of help this does makes it entirely and wholly worth my time.
        A christian is a person who believes in God, and that he loves his children (us) so much that he sent his only son to die so that we can be with him in heaven. To be christian you have to accept god and his sacrifice into your heart, and the loving Father will cleanse your sins through his son so that you may. It also takes following the guidelines he set for us, on how to live. May I ask what is your definition, in return? Yours personally?
        Actually, the tract itself wasn’t specifically offensive, you or whomever wrote it did a very good job to not word it to be directly offensive. It’s the actions and the message given on the tract combined that speak offensively, as well as the additional information presented on this site. What offends me is that you’re at a gay pride festival, handing out cards telling us to repent from our sin. If that doesn’t say loud and clear that you think homosexuality is a sin, the website practically screams it. That is what I find offensive, that you people think I need ‘saving’ because I’m a bisexual. I am still a woman of God. I go to church twice every Sunday, I pray each night before bed, and I do my best to follow the guidelines given, just as any normal christian does. I don’t need ‘saving’ from something that is in reality perfectly normal, and not a sin in the least.
        I did not watch the testimony in the video, as I’m positive that I would find that offensive as well.
        I’ll hold you to that respect and dignity, Justin! I hope you consider, and hear, I mean actually hear, what I’m trying to say here.

        – With great love and in Gods name,
        Christy

        • Hi again, Christy. I’m glad to see you returned and the door will remain open to have a dialogue. Thank you for answering a few of my questions. Before I continue to answer your questions, would you mind answering two of my questions left unanswered? It was with regards to who is God and where you get your information about Him. If it is the Bible, could you affirm or deny whether it is without flaw and without contradiction? Looking forward to hearing back from you.

          • Christy says:

            Of course. It would be a little rude of me to rant and run, wouldn’t it?
            God in my eyes is a loving creator of man.
            I get my information of him from my church, my upbringing and my own soul searching. As for the bible, I admit I don’t read it as often as I should. I’m certainly not going to flip through it for quotes or passages as seem to be this sites method of arguing your point. I’m not going to hide behind a text, but speak my own hearts feelings or whatever words the lord gives me.
            Please answer my questions in return.

            -With great love and in Gods name,
            Christy

            • Thanks, Christy. I agree that God is the loving Creator of all things. How do you know what you have learned from church, your upbringing and your “own soul searching” is true? Have you compared these things to an authoritative source? You seem to dismiss the Bible as if it is just full of fables and life enhancement quotes? Have you ever considered the Bible to be the authoritative source on truth? Do you know what God says about the heart? He says, “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?” Do you believe Him when He says that, Christy? And do you believe your heart could be deceiving you? Do you believe the “words the Lord gives” you should not contradict what He already has made clear in His written Word, which is how He communicates to us?

              I understand these are just more questions, but I believe they are critical to understand. If you’d like to know what I believe about salvation, please let me share with you the following link that I wrote several months ago. My belief is based on the Word of God, which is trustworthy and is a “lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path”. If I may share the following from the Psalms (chapter 119) with you, it gives me the basis for which I know my Lord speaks clearly in His Word and I can take confidence in what I share with you in the following link is true and trustworthy:

              “9 How can a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed according to Your word. 10 With my whole heart I have sought You; Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments! 11 Your word I have hidden in my heart, That I might not sin against You. 12 Blessed are You, O LORD! Teach me Your statutes. 13 With my lips I have declared All the judgments of Your mouth. 14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies, As much as in all riches. 15 I will meditate on Your precepts, And contemplate Your ways.16 I will delight myself in Your statutes; I will not forget Your word.”

              With that established, here is the link explaining salvation: http://thespeaktruthproject.com/eternal-life/ I do hope you take the time to read it. There is no more important question you need to make sure you know the answer to than where you will spend eternity, Christy. Please let me know your thoughts after you read it and if I can answer any more of your questions. Hope you have a good night.

              • Christy says:

                Fortunately for the both of us, that isn’t true. I don’t dismiss the bible or it’s message, and I believe it sets some really important guidelines for our faith. I read through the link provided, and it all seems fair, yes. Though I believe you over illustrate the harshness of God a little there. He is indeed a loving Father. That’s not something that should be forgotten.
                I also see you’re going with the quotes. Alright. It does tend to be a pet peeve of mine, but for the conversation to continue I will gladly let it slide.
                Even if the heart deceives, Justin, a person who has accepted Jesus into their heart and mind and soul, won’t be so easily fooled.
                Though this isn’t really the point I’m trying to get at here. We both know that there are tons of Christians with slightly differing beliefs- and that’s perfectly okay. That’s why there are different types, like catholic, baptist, episcopalian, ect.
                My main question is still, why you think same sex attraction is a sin.

                (Again sorry for the rushed writing and long wait for my reply; I’m very busy with schoolwork, and recently went a few days without internet access. I’m just now catching up with things like this. You’ll have to bear with my slow replies for a little while; but I’d still like to keep up our conversation!)

                -With great love and in Gods name,
                Christy

                • Welcome back, Christy. I understand the business of life, so no worries. Feel free to pop back in as time allows. Would you please clarify what you mean by “Fortunately for the both of us, that isn’t true”?

                  God is not harsh, Christy – where did you see mention of this? God is fair, and because He is fair, He gives us what we deserve if we die in our sin, namely His justice and holy wrath. Do you believe God is holy? Whenever you get a chance, can you show me in Scripture where it says God is love, love, love? After that, could you show me where it says He is holy, holy, holy? Do you know what holiness means?

                  Quoting Scripture is a necessity because it is the very foundation of the Christian faith and God’s revelation to mankind that we might know Him, love Him, and serve Him. Without the Bible, we could have no authority on truth and morality.

                  Can you show me in Scripture where it says a Christian is someone who accepts Jesus into their heart?

                  Actually, it’s not ok for Christians to disagree on the essentials of the faith. There are fundamental beliefs that must be accepted by an individual if they are truly Christian. For instance, Catholics are fundamentally not Christian because they deny justification by faith alone. They believe in faith + works for salvation, and by doing so, they reject the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. If you’d like to learn more about this, you can check out the link on my blog: http://airocross.com/roman-catholicism/

                  In order for me to answer your question in a manner that might be acceptable to you, you first have to submit that the Bible is the infallible, authoritative, and absolute source of truth and morality. I did provide two links in the original article addressing homosexuality, and I encourage you to watch David’s testimony. If you have any argument against the information, please do ask and I’ll address your opposition to the Scriptures given that show why homosexuality is indeed sinful (1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is also a good place to start also, which was mentioned in the OP).

                  Hope you have a good week, Christy, and I hope to hear from you soon.

                  • Christy says:

                    Alright, I don’t think I’m really gaining anything from this conversation. That might just be sleepless pessimism talking, though. I’ve been up all night with school work. I’ve been Building an entire sculpture, and 125 English questions on The Alchemist, which is a wonderful book on faith, by the way. As well as three chemistry worksheets and two online lectures. Work is a… well, you know.
                    So my sincere apologies if my reply comes off as grouchy or irritated. I’ll try to maintain the polite manner in which I’ve been speaking to you thus far.
                    No, I will not run around trying to quote the bible for you, and No I will not watch that testimony as I’m sure I will find it offensive. I am quite sure I will find it offensive.
                    I also didn’t say that god is all love, love, love. There is a certain amount of wrath in there. Though, for example the guy you talked about on your eternal life page. There is no way in… well, hell, that that man ended up in hell, because even if he did have a few character flaws he was a good Christian man and lived his life accordingly.
                    There’s your problem, Justin. The bible. Is NOT. to be taken. 100% literally. You’ve also so set yourself in the idea that it is, that I see you aren’t quite open to talking about this with an open mind and preferably less condescending tone. Which, by the way, irks the living daylights out of me. I am not a child and don’t appreciate being talked to as such, thank you. Just thought you should know.
                    You also fail to recognize even one of your own key points here. You don’t have to do good deeds in addition to accepting the Lord and Jesus into your heart; Just as you don’t have to be perfectly, 100% to grips with your sin to be accepted by God. You know not everyone is perfect. That’s the whole reason He sent His Son to the cross in the first place, to cleanse us of our natural impurities as human beings. I mean, heck, I have tons of flaws myself, more than I could reasonably list here without my reply becoming obnoxiously long. Being Bisexual is not one of them.
                    Though really, none of this is at all what I originally came here to talk about with you. You do realize that, right? Why do you keep skipping the topic away from your hatefulness of homosexuality, back to our apparent differences in styles of faith? That isn’t what I have a problem with here, not in the least. To each their own. There are tons of different kinds of Christian, and yes, Catholics do, in fact, count. It’s strange that Catholics are generally very anti-gay, and yet I have less of a problem accepting them as Christians as you do. I accept that we may have differing views on God, and that’s perfectly okay with me. We both live under the same God, and that’s all that matters when it all boils down to it.
                    I did take a second to click the links you provided as a kind of afterthought to your comment, and was, also, almost immediately offended. It made me too sick, so I couldn’t finish reading. You think granting gay couples equal rights is moral decay?! No, it’s exactly the opposite! It’s people that cling fruitlessly to the past and old hateful, outdated ideals that cause, or I guess are a root of moral decay. My heart sings at the fact that one day, people will open up their eyes and see that everybody should be allowed the rights to love. It’s a beautiful future, in my mind, not one of moral decay. Gah, I hate that you use that wording to describe something so… so completely it’s opposite.
                    Well I do hate to end that on a sour note but I’ve kind of run dry on things to say at this point.

                    So, With great love and in Gods name,
                    Christy

                    • Hi Christy, I am sorry if my words have come across as condescending – that has certainly not been my intention. I have tried to challenge you to consider why you believe what you believe, and on what authority you base your belief. It seems you have a blind faith, not one that can be tested against absolute truth.

                      John the Paramedic from the “Tale of a Good Person” story did not go to heaven because he was relying on his own goodness to get him there. While from our perspective he may have been a “good person”, he was unrighteous in the eyes of the Lord and faced the judgment he deserved. He left this life without the righteousness of Jesus Christ, and everyone else who leaves in the same manner, will face the wrath of God.

                      Regarding the Bible – do you take Christ’s death and resurrection as figurative speech? What have I mentioned in our discussion that you would consider not to be taken literally?

                      Regarding not coming to grips with your sin, this is what Jesus said in Luke 14:33: “So therefore, any one of you who vdoes not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.” One cannot come to the cross while holding on to their sin. One must come with nothing in their hands so they can cling to the cross of Christ. This doesn’t mean one must clean up their lifestyle before coming to Christ, but it does mean one turns away from the things that God hates and be willing to live a life of obedience to Him out of love for Him. There is no such thing as a perfect repentance, but the new heart given by God will be bent towards loving the things of God and hating the things of this world and the remnants of our sinful flesh.

                      Do you know what the primary reason was that God destroyed Sodom, Christy? This is what God says in Jude 1:6-7, “And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and spursued unnatural desire,4 serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.”

                      That unnatural desire is homosexual sin, Christy. It is a form of fornication and adultery. That is why it is sin. Jesus said that marriage is between one man and one woman, and any sexual acts outside of the sanctity of marriage is sin. One living a lifestyle of sexual immorality will not inherit the Kingdom of God unless they repent from their unrighteousness to trust in Christ alone for their salvation.

                      It doesn’t matter what you or I believe about homosexuality. What matters is what God says about it, and His Word clearly defines it as sin. Anyone practicing homosexuality, just like anyone practicing any other lifestyle of sin, whether it’s pride, fornication, adultery, drunkenness, etc., must repent and put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ to be saved from their sins and the wrath of God to come.

                      Hope to hear back from you – take care until then.

  3. Just curioius as to why there is so much focus on homosexuality. You list Bible verses that are taken out of context that are not about a loving relationship. They are about war and ritual cleansings. Sodom and Gomorah were already slated to be destroyed because the people were unjust and refused to help the poor and vulnerable. The men outside of Lot’s house were looking to rape the angels, not have a “relationship” with them. And rape is rape no matter what.

    Why do we ignore the other verses that say a woman shall be stoned to death for wearing gold or cutting her hair? What about pork being an abonimation? Shouldn’t you then put as much energy into the pork industry? What about adultry? If we are to take the Bible’s verses as such, then we are to stone adulterers.

    Please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks.

    • Hello, thank you for the comment. Before answering your question, could you please tell me whether you believe in God and accept His Word, the Bible, as the infallible and authoritative source of truth and morality? Thanks – looking forward to our conversation.

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